TCU TV – The Matthias Dandois & Alex Jumelin Interview

Let it be said first, I’m a big fan of these TCU podcasts where Catfish and Adam 22 invite different characters onto their show and discuss their lives in all forms. For the 13th episode, Alex Jumelin and Matthias Dandois were invited to the show, rather than mention everything they discuss. Sit down grab a beer, a tea or coffee, whatever you have and enjoy and listen to their perspective. This is great!

67 thoughts on “TCU TV – The Matthias Dandois & Alex Jumelin Interview

  1. Alex you forgot to talk about how you have a cry to event organizer when your not happy with your competitions results ! Would have been a great topic ! Maybe next time 😉

  2. Plus one more thing i love how your making your self out to be the nice guy in flatland when your so critical of other flatlander’s riding and tricks. Alex you are a hypocrite !

  3. Agreed about, Jumelin. Dude’s a piece of shit. “We don’t hate on anyone”, how about when you threw bottles at a rider you didn’t even know because he bit someones tricks. Why’s he talking shit on Trevor when he’s one of the nicest riders in the game. Total hypocrite! Go do another nose manual on your scooter bike that you think is street.

  4. Good show, gentlemen! Really enjoyed it and it isn’t easy for me to sit for long interviews (adhd) but this was excellent.

  5. How hypocrital… Wasn’t Alex at the Texas state fair making money and hasn’t thrown a contest in the us ? And next you’ll claim you never did a crack packer or jump truck or any of my tricks? Hate to be negative floks but godam the nerve. I always stuck up for Alex, even almost got in a fight over the shit but now we all see his true colors . Fuck you and go back to France where it’s good. We throw jams with hundreds of riders without any expectations other than to have fun and progress. If that ain’t good enough I’m sure you know your way home or come see me.

  6. Wow Alex I am sorry to hear that your free trip and accommodation’s to Colorado for the Battle in the Rockies contest where $10,000 US dollars was given out was apparently all to make money. Crazy that you have your placing for Voodoo jam the contest you hyped up for so long Tattooed on your arm, also an american contest that has been revered as the best contest for years. My personal favorite Americans only do shows!! Hmmmm what where you doing in Texas for 2 months last summer with Morgan wade and Aj? Seems to me what almost every french guy I have met says about you is true. You always have an agenda that benefits you!!!! No one wants to step up and say anything cause you and Mattiaus are Great riders!!!!! and very popular for it. Well guess what I don’t give a shit, yeah your better than me, so what you can not take away my passion for riding and you can’t take away what I have done in this sport for 30 years. Guess I wont place in events you organize or are involved in anymore, but oh well at least I get to see my friends while I’m there. You Dis Trevor and make points that clearly are directed at Matt W who truly does more good in one day than you have ever done. Your ego and hypocritical nature is why your actually not as loved as you think. Your not a rock star, your not saving lives and in-case you forgot you ride a bike. I guess you got all the popular vote you could get out of Terry and Scott so take your Nora Cup and go back to France. I promise no one here in America will miss you.

    Your’s truly James McGraw 🙂

  7. Two things define people: Your patience when you have nothing, and your attitude when you have everything

    I’m curious of the judges he’s talking about cause the last 3 events he competing in Chad DeGroot was there (Voodoo Jam, Flat Ark & Battle of The Rockies) as well as Effraim Catlow at Bmx Worlds and Battle of The Rockies.

    There are many grass roots events in the States both Jams and Contest as well as around the world.

  8. I’ve never complained like a Bitch at any contest to the judges!!! I’ve seen the greatest kill them selfs trying and not place high but come back even stronger That’s the US way and California is we’re all this bmx freestyle flatland started Respect the roots!
    !! Next contest I throw I will have anyone that complains to judges or try to influence the judges kicked out!!
    And about US contest not touching easy tricks will win is not true !
    There are many great contest in the Us that you can’t influence.
    every man has to decide to be real or be fake,
    Be true or lie to yourself, I always believed if I placed 20th place or 3 place I will be there for BMX have fun and be pushed to my hardest tricks this is the bmx I know to be true it’s not about just U!
    It’s about F.U.
    Flatland Unity 🙂

  9. WTF is so wrong with show riders? Why hate on them? I feel it’s a great way to introduce our sport to young kids who normally never see it. Their have been a few “show riders” who rode at my son’s school and it was a HUGE hit with the kids. Try and be a little more open minded Alex.

  10. Alex the trick you do are not hard! Your back wheel is on the ground for 80 of all your runs! I hope i never meet you.

  11. Merci pour c’est de haine a mon égard .
    Cultiver l’apologie de votre vision réductrice du flat qui n’évolue pas .
    Bravo pour les jugements de valeur sur mon riding mais je reste persuader que seul le progrès et la nouveautés peut faire avancer le flat !
    Oui je dresse un triste constat de la scène au Usa mais c’est comme cela que j’ai vecu mon expérience de rider pro expatrier dans votre pays .

    Forte heureusement j’ai reçu beaucoup de messages positive après cette itw, je ne veux pas et ne peux plaire à tout monde mais vous avez sans doute raison ma place en tant que rider se trouve en France !

  12. I have no problem with show riders, as long as they don’t do hopping tricks and claim to be 1of 5 people on the planet who can do hitchhikers. Ugh

  13. I’ve got a TON of respect for ALL who have commented here, with out question. That said, I just think that the best way for a community to address complainers and haters is to ignore them until they go away. The ill will asserted, while it may or may not be warranted, sounds a bit harsh and makes the community seem like they are complaining about complainers and, in that, a tad bit hypocritical. We don’t want to engage in hate in order to respond to it. Again, the folks speaking here and their contributions to the sport, ARE the reason I have continued to ride into my 40’s with my arthritic hands and all. The flatland community has often been marginalized in the world of bmx and outside of it, but it has always continued to thrive and develop in positive ways despite that fact it was often taken for granted. And, please believe that all of your efforts in creating domestic events and contests are very much appreciated by many of us! The Rockies contest WAS AMAZING, and had to have taken some truly intense effort to put together and run. Watching the clips made me promise to myself that I will get out of brooklyn to go and support a contest this year. And for all you show riders out there, in my humble opinion, you are getting the word out there and your commitment and dedication are beyond inspiring. That said, people are entitled their opinions even if they are unpopular!

  14. Trevor’s skill set is top-notch. Finding a means to pay bills to ride, be it riding in a circus, a half time act at monster truck show, carnivals, etc. is a testament to dedication, creativity, and financial astuteness. I fail to understand the label ” show rider”. Arguably, riding a contest is show riding as you are putting on a show of sorts for judge’s eyes. Who amongst us has never rode a little harder when a crowd temporarily stopped and watched. Debatably, that’s show riding without remuneration.

    Mathias represented Haro and the culture of freestyle well with his numerous reminders that “it’s freestyle.” I heard one interviewee thank the interviewers for their open mindedness, yet witnessed only one interviewee display it. Interesting irony.

  15. I want to get upset about what they were saying in the beginning, and while I don’t fully agree with it, I can see why it’s frustrating to see it the way they do. The more I listened the more sense their way of viewing things made. Was it how I think? Not really. I think some of it is a bit disingenuous at times, but I think most people in BMX are that way. Most people in the “industry” are full of shit, including many of the pros, so take what they say with a grain of salt. I think their attitude about US contests is more of a misunderstanding (we don’t hold enough contests, then acknowledging that we’re thousands of miles apart) than anything.

    I’ve always liked and respected Matthias. Alex not as much (for a number of reasons), but there’s more to this than just what they said about shows and it’s worth listening to all the way through.

  16. I don’t normally like to chime in or get involved with stuff like this, but today is an exception. I liked the podcast in some ways as I respect both of these guys as riders, and I respect Alex’s approach to riding and progression.

    However, his personality is another story. I can’t count the number of good friends who have told me about shitty experiences with Alex. I don’t know if guys feel bullied by Alex and are afraid to say things publicly or what, but I don’t really see how not bringing it up and pretending like he’s a cool dude because he’s a rockstar flatlander is helpful. But I mean, who lives in New Orleans then goes and says no one in North America gives back to flatland? That’s a slap in the face to Terry and Scott. I would be surprised if they weren’t super offended right now.

    Great rider, but dude needs to be a bit more humble and think before he speaks. Flatland is so small, I don’t know why you want to burn bridges.

  17. I am too busy with my family, a full time + job, Sequence, riding and drinking to worry about what the fuck Alex thinks.

  18. so Alex hates Trevor Meyer as he is a show rider what the fuck ??? hypocrite Alex rides show most guys do hating on Trevor Meyer says he hates all show riders must hate Terry Adams and Matt Wilhelm as well then shit Trevors a legend no respect from Alex dissing the USA yet gets his green card to live there without a job and buggers off back to France after 4 years tax free. Saying USA has no real talent or scene not really doing himself any favours or winning friends and his backwards fakie boomerang is a Sean Fontenot trick not his he stole that whats he on about, no mention of Gabe Kadmiri bloody sick rider and his 360 tailwhip hops but harps on like Steven Churchills a flatland contest winner with a 3 whip hahaha Alex sounds bitter in parts here sour grapes sore loser not good

  19. I just want to clarify one point that I made earlier and then I promise to let the keyboard have a much deserved rest. I didn’t intend to convey the message that a person’s problematic attitude or personality should be tolerated because of their status as a flatlander. As we all know very well, flatlanders and rock stars have about as much in common as downhill and bmx frames. Being a big time flatlander, in the world at large, still leaves you 20 cents short of a quarter to the overwhelming majority people. What I meant to convey, and didn’t do a good job communicating, was that all of the shit talking does very little to advance anything positive and results in a lot of time being spent saying things that don’t have much impact. We could be talking about how much we thought the interview on The Come Up might influence flatland and how it is perceived. We could also be discussing the valid point made in the interview about how difficult it is, as a judge, to weigh originality vs. consistency. Worse yet, shit talking also runs the risk of attracting other people to do just that, shit talk. I think Effraim has done an excellent job of keeping that kind of stuff out of this forum. I’ve never met Alex J. and don’t know much about him other then what some edits demonstrate, that he is amazing on the bike and has cute kids. I have met Mattias in brooklyn, and he was beyond cool on that day. But, shit talk about things that can be handled by other, more private, means, would probably be best left to other means. And, as far as I’m concerned, the fact that we are all grown folk with this much invested in flatland makes us the coolest Mother——- on earth!!!!! I promise I’ll shut up now!

  20. One of the things that I found kinda funny was the vision of like some kind of merger between flat and street to take place in the near future. This seems to me to be a reflection of their chosen direction rather than a likely state of affairs; and it would seem to me to really limit ‘freestyle’ to a needlessly narrow sphere of tricks. Not saying don’t do this if that is what you want to do but I don’t think flatland will ever be satisfied with one kind of thing, one kind of riding, one kind of attitude. Not to mention, although the blending between certain aspects of street and flat is nothing new, the vision of the future merging of the disciplines seems to me to be the opposite of open-minded or open to change–if everybody were to start doing that, then flatland would become way more uniform and way less interesting. Also, tech flatland looks like it’s here to stay; just look at almost anyone else (Dez, Dub, Dom, Jason, Viki, Shintaro, etc…) . At most, you have whips that made it into the mix a couple of years ago but that’s not enough to keep top flatlanders interested. Once they learned whips they just kept riding and inventing and added whips into the mix. I think it’s kind of naive to presume that flatland will be any one thing in the future; the entire history of flatland stands as a counter-point to that view, and it is the lifeblood of flatland to stay creative and original. The other thing that puzzles me is that they praised the flatland schools in Japan but shat on show riders in the U.S.–aren’t these both great ways of getting the next generation interested? I see the Voodoo Jam, the Battle in the Rockies, the F.U. comp here in Toronto, the Real City Spin comp in MTL, and the One Love Jam and I think that there are a number of people in north America. who are giving back to flatland and I can see why they would feel insulted.

  21. We have a term here in Australia. “don’t shit in your backyard”
    Someone needs to relay this to Alex.
    Why would you move to America and slag it out so much.
    Its like Indians in my country who just don’t want to share a snag on the barby. Eat the sausage and don’t complain mate

    I just hope their is a livefeed of the next comp alex attends. Might be interesting.

  22. I actually loved this interview and though I don’t agree with everything that Alex shared, I’m not going to bash him or attack him the way some of you have chosen to do. I know some of you guys personally, as well as knowing Alex, and I don’t feel like cussing him out helps anything.

    Alex has every right to his opinion and perspective and I felt that there were several interesting truths in what he shared in regards to the state of flatland in the US. You guys getting all worked up and attacking him for it is hilarious. We’re grown men guys, not teenagers. We can do better than this.

    We all know that Alex is very passionate about this sport as many of you are. Jesse, Pete, and James, you guys live, eat, and breath flatland and I give you guys props for staying in the game as long as you have, but I encourage you guys to chew on everything that was shared, spit out what you don’t like, and pull out the positives and do something with it. Your opinions on the subject matter and are important, so rather than attack Alex, how about enter a dialogue about some of his perspectives.

    Flatland in the US is dying. It’s a sport filled with late 30 – 40 year olds and there’s not a lot of young blood coming into the sport. I was able to filter a lot of what Alex was sharing through this truth, and I did this with many other perspectives he had. I’m seeing expert riders in contests here in the states do “flawless” runs and place high because they didn’t touch, yet the runs are full of long cliffhangers, death trucks, half packers, and time machines. Really? You take these same guys to Japan and everyone would think that they were beginner riders. This is just one opinion that I shared with Alex.

    One thing I hate about this small sport is that there isn’t a lot of room to be honest or critique the athletes. Other sports do it everyday and it comes with the territory. Yet if a person critiques a pro rider and goes as far as questions his presence in the pro class, that person will be lynched and attacked. This sport could use some honesty right now. I encourage it. Let’s welcome it and not do what we see being done right now with Alex.

  23. I liked how Adam was quick to debunk Alex’s claim of 2,000 contests in 20 years and then Alex starts doing the math, gets frustrated then backs it down to 1,000, which is still unrealistic. Matthias has grown a lot as a rider and a person – when I first had seen early interviews with him, he came off as an arrogant elitist, but that was probably due to being young. Here, his answers were much more mature and respectful, (even though his comment about biting tricks at the pro level were kinda funny when he does Jeff DesRoche’s full combo in every contest. Pick a side of the fence, bro!)
    As riders, both are at an elite level-Alex’s progression of styles is truly original and Matthias’ flat/street approach is changing the way other BMXers see flat.
    Show rider, contest rider, front wheel rider, back wheel rider – just ride and have fun!

  24. 2000 contests? Haha, just a small example of the lies that come out of Alex. Funny how much importance these two put on competitions, which are really just shows. They are the show riders that they’re dissing.

    Woodward had the first freestyle (including flatland) schools in the world, this is where France and Japan got the idea. BMX Plus’ 101 tricks and Matt Wilhelm’s instructional are American as it gets and have been the foundation of many riders’ development.

    These two are caught up in their personalities and completely miss the big picture, however it works for them, they’re winning their popularity contest, yay!

  25. A lot of what he said is true.
    Some things that he said were based on personal opinions.

    Weirdest thing to date are all the people that hate him and still watch him talk for an hour straight. Talk about picking sides on the fences, right?

    The only things that bugged me about this interview were the statements that most people drawn into flatland are loners and don’t have a functioning social life.
    I may not have a functioning social life but I am no loner, a weirdo definetely but it’s not an encouraging thing to hear one of the best riders degrading my lifestyle because I am not going partying every weekend.

    This also brought up the feeling in me that the next time I meet Alex, even though he might be nice to me and smile because I ride the same size of bike as he does, he might also think something entirely else…

    I myself have also heard from a lot of sides and people that they did not like Alex’s personality, but I have never let myself be influenced by this and every time I have met him he seemed really nice, but there wasnt much contact at all, sadly to investigate the bad rumors.

    But besides all of that, his opinions are based on CENTURIES! of riding, and very very few of his haters can relate even in the slightest to what he has seen, done and thought about.

    Good thing that no street riders go to Flatmatters, the way that so many people are acting up in here seems to me like Alex threw Parisian Sand in all of your vajayjay’s.

    pretty good interview though, could have been a little bit shorter, but well, this is something new for flatland, so why not stretch it out and say as much as needed.

    much love and respect to alex, take to heart what has been said by the non haters and dont let the suckers get to you


  26. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that Adam and Catfish kept it interesting and fun, Flatland Illuminati, haha!

    It would be rad to see one of these TCU interviews with Pete Brandt, Jesse Puente, Nathan Penonzek, Alexis Desolneaux, Sean McKinney…

  27. saw how long the interview and thought i got better thing s to do than listen to an interview. i’d rather go riding…..

  28. Finally some REAL venom! Hate, hate, hate, hate! Where do I start…. I’ve personally never been a fan of Alex’s riding.

  29. What Hector said.

    And yes woodward had the first bmx camps but American flatland can not rest on its laurels. Lots of Amazing riders but it needs a push, and AJ and MD were talking about those pushes. Lots of good criticism among the jabs, that I don´t think anyone should take too personal. They are cocky dudes maybe, but there perspective is important and they say some good things. And they are fucking bike killers. Loved what MD said about vert. Love freestyle.

  30. Maybe there should be a show class for contests this year where riders are required to use both wheels, scuff, roll, spin,pump, surf, bar ride, decade, pinky squeak, whiplash wheelie, use left or right foot instead of a concert where The band only plays their best song at the “concert”. I much prefer a world of Jams were the people who had the best time Won!!!!

  31. Yeah Alex! Why I say that is soo many flatlanders are scared to say what they think to make sure everyone likes them. Alex is keeping it real on what he thinks wether you agree or not. Flatland needs to go in a new direction and quit being rolling museums of tricks. If it takes some rattling the cage to get things going, so be it.
    Props to Alex and Matthias for their views and opinions.

  32. For everyone upset over lies, exaggerations, and hypocrisy: Are you just noticing it from them now? Does it not concern you that this worldview is not unique to them, but among many riders pro and am alike? This isn’t news. Most pros are in this to promote themselves and make a living. The “industry” is just as shady. I don’t know why anyone would want to get involved in that but eh, to each their own.

    Someone mentioned the work that people have done in helping out riders with schools and videos, and they left out Bobby Carter’s web page as well as the excellent video Hang-5, which was the first riding video I ever purchased.

  33. I really liked this podcast, very interesting. I loved the part where they talk about muscle memory and how we learn tricks while off the bike. It has happened to me a lot and I always talk about this with my friends.
    Regarding the americans/shows thing, I dont think thats offensive at all, but I also think its kinda true. There are pro level american riders doing shows but not attending contests worldwide. AND THATS COMPLETELY FINE. It all depends on the rider’s attitude towards the sport. Alex has always tried to innovate, come up with new tricks and techniques, push the limits… and thats the opposite as shows riding, where you need to be consisten, structured, repetitive and you dont want to risk much. So I get his concern on the subject. YES, shows are a great way to promote the sport and keep it active but they can also interfere with its progess and evolution.
    Now, IMO the biggest progress of the sport is made everyday at the riding spot and with videos. Contests are a mix between these two things, where you want to show your best/new tricks with consistency. Contests are shows where the audience are the judges, and you have to show them what they want to see, which I like to think is mainly progress and evolution, and thats what I pursue every time I go riding.
    I’m surprised they talked about giving money back to flatland but they didnt even mention Voodoo Jam and Battle in the Rockies, two of the best flatland events of 2014, organised by riders for riders.

  34. After all these comments I was sure I’d find something in the video to get mad about…but I didn’t. I enjoyed it and learned a few things. I’m not a huge fan of interviews in general, but I’d say they did a pretty nice job on this.

  35. to those who care, a comment from AlexJ from yesterday appeared today in the middle of others comments. It’s full of spelling and grammatical mistakes, good luck with the translation

  36. I loved the podcast, good interview. I think people need to get thicker skin and remember what Matthias said ( don’t take this flatland to serious we just dorks on little bikes) something like

  37. Jmk I must concur! I really enjoyed the interview and didn’t find it offensive either! Just sucks when you get persecuted for calling things as they are! Alot of good points were made by Alex I thought! Only thing I didn’t care much for was how long it was! Lol.

  38. I don’t think he’s being persecuted for calling it like he sees it. Everyone has the right to their opinion. I think the issue is the perceived hypocrisy.

  39. That or the lack of context. By that I mean saying that the US does not have enough contests, but admitting that it cannot be like it is in France because we are thousands of miles apart. If that doesn’t distinguish the difference for why things are the way there are then nothing will.

  40. I respect his riding, Matthias too – but there’s no way I’m going to waste 90 minutes of my life watching Catfish, Adam22 or either of them talk. They’re riders, not philosophers. Alex should shut up and let his riding talk more. I used to hate him for legit reasons, but then I watched his edits over the last few years, had my own kid, and then started to respect him a bit more and try to understand him. I see a lot of people commenting here that I really do respect and haven’t heard a single bad thing about, but I’m still not going to watch the interview – just to hate a little bit more? Why should I?

  41. I think doing shows in front of 10s of thousands of people
    And national/world wide shows is pretty good promotion/ exposure for flatland!? Moi 2 centimes

  42. No but you see exposing massive amounts of people to the sport in order to make a living and generate an incredible amount of interest in the sport doesn’t grow/help the sport. Everyone knows that.

  43. I have no feelings either way to what these guys have said. The way I ride my bike and what I put into it/get out of it has nothing to do with outside influences like interviews, forum posts, and other rider’s opinions. (No offense guys). This could be the best interview ever full of motivational gold, or it could be the most demoralizing crap ever digitally recorded and spewed back out, either way it affects me the same. It doesn’t. Is it entertaining? Maybe. Is it something that affects flatland and how I see it? Not at all. To each their own. Ima go ride now, maybe learn a few new scuff tricks.

  44. The comments on this interview on The Come Up site are totally opposite of the comments here on flatmatters. Almost all of the comments on The Come Up are those of people saying how inspired they are by this interview.
    I know the flatland world is small but most people looking at this from the outside are not aware of the “drama”. Personally I would prefer that the more well known and respected riders that have commented here would have done so in private and not in a public forum.
    I understand what a comments section is for but the hate, insults, and general lashing out over hurt feelings and perceived disrespect is embarrassing to everyone involved.
    I am not saying that the feelings expressed toward this interview are invalid in the least but I’m sure most of the pros who have commented here negatively could have reached out to Alex through other means, either through email or take it up with him personally at the next event. Great artists don’t have to attack other artists even if they feel they have been disrespected.
    Reading some of the comments here made me feel embarrassed for everyone involved, I say this because I’ve had many run ins with kids in my town who ride street and such and when they ask about flatland I always send them to Flatmatters.
    When I say kids I mean kids… probably ages 9 and up. That age is fragile, without knowing it you all could easily be someones favorite rider, their inspiration. Sad to think they would be reading any of these comments from the current pros and legends that have decided that commenting here is the way to go about voicing their disapproval of Alex’s comments. A few comments actually sound a little threatening which is ridiculous for grown men who ride bicycles.
    All these little issues, kids don’t care about, but the vibe here is a spirit killer for sure and flatland could surely use a huge infusion of youth energy.
    Please act like professionals and hold yourselves to a higher level of respect even if it drives you crazy to maintain silence publicly. I say all this with nothing but respect for everyone here, I am 40 years old and am totally aware of the contributions some of you have made to our sport through your intensity, inventiveness and drive for progression, bless you all and may everyone stay healthy and able to keep pushing this love of ours to territories unimaginable.

  45. Don’t want to enter the dram.
    I am interested by the Facebook pros riders group (cf 38:00).
    Could you tell us more about this ? : )

  46. Seriously House of lightning,you are full of sh*t
    Alex can say whatever he wants, but people that felt insulted can answer too
    Especially since these people invented modern flatland
    Freedom of speach works both ways
    i’m 41 too ,and i don’t give a F what 9 year-old kids will think, seriously!!! as if kids read this forum.

    looking forward to hearing from you again (or not)

  47. Gee… I wonder if house of Alex… I mean lightning even understands how forums work?!?! We all know who really wrote that.

  48. That’s not Alex Jumelin, for the record. House of Lightning is a band, and one of their members rides flatland.

  49. I was just letting you know. If you prefer to believe that Alex, who already replied directly in this thread, suddenly developed impeccable English and found out that the guy from House of Lightning rides flatland so he could hijack that name and trick us all, then by all means…enjoy your conspiracy theory.

  50. Flatland podcast! Finally. Stoked on this. More please. I thought about about doing one myself a while back but figured no-one would be interested in me interviewing myself in an empty parking lot.

  51. Up ?

    Don’t want to enter the dram.
    I am interested by the Facebook pros riders group (cf 38:00).
    Could you tell us more about this ? : ) or nobody care ?

    • @Quentin – Like Matthias said there is or was a small Facebook group to discuss the World Circuit, where events should be, judging criteria, etc, etc, I’m not sure if it is still going as i’ve had nothing added to discussion since November/December time. Maybe I was taken off it I’m not sure, not that many people were very active on it to be honest….

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