Viki Gomez wins Fise 2013!

1-Viki Gomez
2-Matthias Dandois
3-Alex Jumelin
4= Jean Francis Boulianne
4= Keelan Phillips
4= Jean William Prevost
8- Thoams Deschenaux
9-Romain Dodelier
10- Dez Maarsen
11-Dan Hennig
12- Thomas Noyer
13- Kevin Jacob

What a great show! Flat finals just went down in a windy Montpelier, France! Massive crowds! Using the Red Bull COB format, the final was a three way battle between Matthias, Alex and Viki. The final took a few twists and turns, Alex dropped his brakeless stem pinky combo, Viki finished strong with a huge back wheel line and ended with a massive last steam kickflip to halfpacker pivot opposite xft hitch pivot to steam to xft halfpacker to hitch combo which ultimately took the win, as Matthias couldn’t nail his last foot on the bar spinning hitch line. Amazing riding from the Fise contest! Congratulations Viki, Matthias and Alex!

64 thoughts on “Viki Gomez wins Fise 2013!

  1. I’m not very knowledgeable about flatland but is it just my impression that Alex gets better standings than his skills would necessarily imply?

  2. You are wrong El Jiji.
    Alex tricks are extremely intricate, original and have an extreme level of difficulty. His level of riding has progressed to a level that is hard to grasp by the average by stander.

    Alex deserves to be in the podium, no doubt about it.

  3. As we didn’t have battles for fourth, fifth and sixth all three riders that didn’t make the final battle get 4th place. No bullshit at all, just logic. The only way to determine a ranking there would be by the higher or lower score from the prelims, which I don’t think should be done.

  4. yeah dub had that battle dam easy i thought.
    i was sitting back eating nachos thinking he had it.
    spat nachos when it went against him.

    good riding dub.

    hard to beat the home country boys huh

  5. Just watched everything..

    riders that stood up for me: 1: Dub 2: Viki 3: KevinJ, bring those jumpers to next level jo!

    Expectations: personally. I was hoping to see more fresh new combos from MatthiasD. I could tell what he was going to do(for the most part).
    Nonetheless i enjoyed it!

  6. Hey Mike how come is it then that I get announced 6th after qualifying 3rd and we are all supposedly 4th? Is it because I got mad for “losing” and didn’t go shake your hands and others did and magically appear higher in the rankings? Is it because I get the eerie feeling of being suppressed because I don’t represent any investment from any sponsor involved in the contest? Is it that redbull and freegun sponsor the event and who’s on the podium are just that, redbull and freegun riders? Is it that the organizers are also riding in the contest hereby choosing the judges and creating a terrible bias in the jury? Or is it my imagination simply inventing all these discrepancies and their isn’t anything worth discussing here after all?

  7. I don’t understand the format and of course I was not there so my knowledge of this event in vague at best.
    I will say this. Battle style when someone looses, their placing should always be determined by their qualifier. This way it is always in the control of the rider and qualifiers can have even more meaning as well.

    As too battle style and having 3 man battle at the end. I do not understand how that is possible to work. It kinda doesn’t make sense to me. But of course I was not there so I don’t know the logic.
    For me semi finals in battle always Winners go for 1st and 2nd, looser’s battle for 3rd and 4th.

    Sucks there is some problems there. I hope things can get better. We have to stay together to improve things.

    Dub, stay up and positive bro, your riding is dope man!

    Mike thanks for judging and being an ambassador to Flatland. I wish you could judge at Voodoo.

  8. Dub definitly point something important. Judges were the “Jumelin’s crew”. Frank Lucas = big friend of alex, Manu Massabova = Saint Martin Representant who is a sponsor of alex, Renaud Meloni = Alex Jumelin partner since lot of years at his flatland school in Achères.
    I don’t have any bad opinion about those 3 guys for sure but for me that’s problematic, and that how if those 3 guys didnt give their vote to Alex !

  9. Flatland is still a young sport, there are not any framework based on consensus, which could determine the proportion of the values like: originality, difficulty, variety, fault and so on… This is the resultant of great uncertainty and some of the surprises. If there was an obligatory judging system, it should have been very well communicated toward the judges and the riders to reduce the odds of the problems, however the system will never be completely objective.

    Privilege the judges in a flatland competition to be biased sounds a bit ridiculous for me. Alex won 3:2, if this was a mistake, its not a big one and only the result of the judges aggregated value system, which is pretty random. An accredited scheme and good communication could help. However, Dubz’s riding is groundbreaking, hope to see him on a podium soon!

  10. Dub!
    You being anounced 6th was simply a matter of organiziation being done on the fly. Some stuff wasn’t clear until the moment we did it. There was no ranking other than 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Then three fourth places for those guys not making it to the finals and the rest of the finalists are shared 7th. If you wanted to have an order besides that then it could only be based on the prelim results. Just as Scott does at his comp. I like to look at tennis for inspiration, because that’s a knock out format turnament for the most part. There is a winner and a second in tennis. Then there are two loosing semi finalists (3rd), and the loosing quater finalists (5th). They don’t call it 3rd or 5th, it’s just semi finalist or quater finalist.It wasn’t 3rd but 4th at FISE due to taking three riders to the final.
    Scott, the final of three was judged basically like runs with points. but due to it only being three riders we simply had a quick meeting right after the finals and I asked the other guys who they thought was the winner. We had four votes for Viki, so that was easy. Then we had four votes for Matthias in second, and that left Alex in third.
    About who was judging and us being biased: We know all the riders, and we are friends with many of them. That’s not an easy situation, because we aren’t 100% objective. Speaking for myself, I think in many cases it’s rather a disadvantage for a rider to be my good friend, because I’d give them a lower score than he deserves so it doesn’t look bad. I wasn’t too stoked on Renaud being a judge, simply because I didn’t know him, thus I wasn’t sure how he was going to judge. But while Kikoo, whoever that is, suggests that he is a close friend of Alex’s, if you have a look at the flags, he had Dub winning against Alex. So that wasn’t the problem. It simply was a 3:2 decision which shows it was a close call. I watched the video a couple of times today, which is something I don’t like to do. It’s a different thing to judge a video and judging an event live. But regardless, when I watched it I couldn’t see a clear winner, neither Dub nor Alex. The result as it happened is okay for me, because it is what happened then and there.
    About the riders representing some companies that sponsor the event making it to the podium… Are you for real? This basically doesn’t deserve an answer, but I will give you one anyway: I do not depend on Redbull or Freegun at all. Redbull has invited me to events before, as a rider or a judge. In no way do I feel like that is enough of a reward to give them a certain result they are looking for. I have no connection to Freegun at all!
    The only reason for organizers to ask me to judge at their event is their and the riders trust that I do my best to give a fair score, a fair result for what I see in the runs/battles, with my very close to 30 years of experience in BMX. Once riders and/or organizers don’t trust me to supply that service any longer I will not get invited again. And let me tell you I’m not getting off on judging! I’d much rather sit back and watch from the sidelines. But I do feel obliged to help out in this sport that I love!

  11. This is what i wrote to Mike :

    I just watched the battle…not easy to judge for sure.Alex pulled a little bit more combos than Dub.But i don’t know what to think…that’s really hard!! After i don’t know if the judges quote every single tricks even if the rider doesn’t pull the combo or just a combo pulled…

    Maybe one day they should try to do a contest, and will say to the riders that the judges will quote only the pulled combos…i don’t know…but you have nothing to regret or something like that, i don’t think someone will judge your decision!!

    And i have something else in my mind, 2 years ago : almost a fight for a final decision…and it was (again) with Alex…i know that’s not the same thing but…und so..

  12. Kudos to the event organizers, for the life of me I don’t even know why you bother. All the work you put into it and for what, to defend yourself from all this bellyaching? God bless ya!

  13. @ Reggie : No, but these kind of things shouldn’t exist i think.
    If we are brotherhood, we should try to find a solution or the best one.
    But i don’t know because Flatland is so special, so many different way to ride.
    It’s like judging a Street rider and a Park rider, who will win, who is the best?
    Almost impossible to know and judge…

  14. Judging art is way too hard!!!
    Several tricks in one combo pulled or not is not easy…
    Maybe they should try to quote the riders like the Red Bull X Fighters : One helmet for every single things like Style, Originality, Execution, etc, Why not?

  15. Take into account only the pulled combos are impractical for two reasons:
    – imagine that an amateur can win with a fork glide against five long xfooted turbined professional combos with a touch at the end of the links
    – the riders would be discouraged to pull long, risky, new tricks to win the competition, it would be boring and repetitive.

    I think that taking the whole run into account is fair, but if I had to say an alternative it would be to consider the 3 best combos, which could result a more predictable outcome. But on second thought more problems would arise from this, because for people who are doing short combos it would be highly disadvantageous. So it seems taking into consideration the whole run is inevitable. Evaluating every switch and rolls in every combo, then sum it up is the only way to make it fair, thats what figure skating and a lots of other sports managed to realize after centuries of competing.

  16. @ Oliver : True words, and about only pulled combos, you’re right, not really fair for sure.
    That’s what i thought after writting it.
    But i still think they should try the X-Fighters way, one judge for one speciallity.
    Because with this way, the rider who pulled more combos will win the Execution’s helmet (a wheel for flatland) and the rider who didn’t pull all the combos but who did really hard tricks and links will win the Skills wheel or something like that.

  17. John! That would be similar to rebel jam’s format with winners in hard trick, creativity and style categories, although i don’t know how the judges were shared between the values (everyone judged every category or one judge for each category).

    I think if there would be one judge for each category then the weight of subjectivity would increase significantly, which should be rather minimized. An oldschool judge would prefer oldschool riders, a newschool judge the newschool riders, a rolling judge the rolling riders, especially when there are highly subjective categories like Style.

    Solely the number of tricks are irrelevant, they get value with difficulty and originality.

    Furthermore it can happen with ease that the overall winner don’t win any of the categories. Imagine that there is a rider on second place in every category, while the other riders ranking are very diverse. On the positive side riders who usually don’t have a chance winning a competition, will have significant chance.

    An other critic can be that for organizers it is really difficult, because they need cups and prizes for every category, which is non-feasible on an average comp.

    Besides all of this I support this format, it can bring unusual results, but all of the judges have to evaluate in all of the categories to have a fair decision, and it doesn’t make their work much easier.

  18. Just results!
    Many riders doing tricks similar can of DUB …
    How many can do similar tricks of ALEX

  19. Some good points for you Oliver;)

    But the format i was talking is different tha Rebel Jam.

    Battle format for the final :

    – 5 judges,1 judge for exemple who will quote Execution;1 for Variety; 1 for Creativity;etc
    That works really well for the X-Fighters!!

    – The rider who will get the most categories will win the battle.

    About newschool/oldschool,rolling tricks,etc.
    I think that every judges have to “forget” what they like.And i think they do.
    I don’t like very much back wheel tricks, but i can recognize when a rider is doing good tricks on back wheel.

    After it was just ideas in my mind,i know that it’s easier to judge a Fmx contest.
    I think the concept is not so bad,but Flatland is not Fmx for sure!!

  20. 1.It’s hard to show how close and difficult a decision is when u have two colors to choose. Obviously there is no ‘almost orange’ or ‘almost blue’ color.

    2.There is and there was no conspiracy for or against french or none french riders

    3.Kikoo who are you? we probably never met so keep your mouth closed of who my friends are and who not. it doesn‘t belong here.
    i am judging since a long time in big contests and if people knew that friendship could influence my decisions, they hopefully would not choose me in the first place.

  21. Thanks John, I wasn’t familiar with the X-Fighters Judging system. So there will be an overall winner, that’s fine, but I think all of my other arguments still stand. Above all for example difficulty can’t be evaluated by only one judge, this subjectivity has to be smoothen out.

    Also Mateus brought up an interesting factor, which is time! Riders with short links can’t be preferred against riders with long links. If the judges are evaluating every single moves in a combo than the problem is kind of solved. But I think most people agrees on that making two combos in one link and being 2 times more on one wheel is harder than doing that long link in two combos. Harder=Reward, my method is that after I sum up the moves in a link and see on my clock that the link was twice as long as average, i give a multiplier x1,2 for that link.

  22. Oliver!
    Are you talking about real time judging or going over a video tape checking if the judges at a contest messed up. We have to be quite fast at a contest!

  23. Personally coming from experience of judging at all different types of events and formats. I found judging at the Rebel jam last year in Spain the most rewarding for the rider, and I also think from a spectator standpoint. When you are required to give a score very quickly, judging individual categories does make sense. You could tweak it a bit so whoever won the most categories, i.e. Jesse Puente at that contest, he would have won the contest overall. Keeping it simple is the best solution, flatland is hard enough as it, don’t make it any more difficult.

  24. Yes Mike, thank you for your question! I am talking about real time judging. I am calling my evaluating method “flow judging”. Basically I give points continuously during the riders link, constantly adding points for new moves, I only write down the points at the end of the link, it just takes one second and not that hard. I’ve tested it on about 10 live competitions in pro and expert categories as a judge and more than 1000 runs online without stopping the video ( I know its still not the same) and I’ve never had a problem with being fast. Although your trick dictionary with values has to be accurate and up to date.

    I like Rebel Jam too, I think its really exciting and loving how riders, like Alexis get a well deserved win for a category. Simple is good, but the judges can also try one thing, especially on smaller comps: exercise. My fellow judges often don’t have a clue how to evaluate the runs and asking me how to do it after the first run, when I should pay attention to the riders. As it is customary the judges don’t even have a system, not a tested system, they just write down something on the paper for alibi if they were asked. Does everyone have a tested system on a big competition, what are you experiencing?

  25. Hi,
    I had to go before the final in pro class but all I have to say it’s this FISE edition is the best of the 6 l saw.
    I never see 40-50 riders (Amateur/Pro) in Flatland at this event before.
    Amazing vibes, good level and be judges for this contest need a lot of knowledges.
    For sure, all riders can’t be happy about their results, but what I think (when I see my results in a contest) is :
    If I don’t give the best and pull a PERFECT run, I can’t say anything about my place because I know that I have more tricks to show and I didn’t do, it’s cool to win some contest or make good places but it’s better if you feel that you did a crazy run for you.

    On every contest there will be judges problem, because of each judges don’t have the same experiences in BMX.
    Flatland is not a football or basketball match, there is not only a point or not, it’s very hard to judge and pull a mark in live.

    For me the results are not too bad, good work !

  26. Oliver!
    Your method sounds interesting. I would ha e more questions about it, though: do you give points for tricks in a link? If so, what happens when a rider has a new trick or new switch. Do you just make up a point score? And how do you judge a rider falling off of his bike halfway through their link. You would have to score a completely pulled link differently than one that only went half way and ends in a crash, don’t you? While I wish it was easier to judge and more objective, I still believe basically watching a run, taking notes for links, pulled or not, difficult and/or original, number of touches/crashes, evaluating the riders ease of performance, confidence shown on the bike(style) is the right way. The big problem with giving certain tricks a point value is the following: what do you do with new/original tricks. What I like to see is riders taking it to new levels. And we can’t judge that in a format that’s too rigid. Hence we have experienced riders as judges who we hope can make a good and fair evaluation of what happens “on the dance floor!”
    The format for Rebel Jam is great, but I think it’s Rebel Jam and shouldn’t be used at all contests. Plus keep in mind, that’s only used for the finals. In the prelims at Rebel Jam we judge “traditionally” with the option to push a rider to the final if he’s on the bubble and we think he is likely to shine in one or more of the special categories in the final. Rebel Jam is special and doesn’t have an overall winner. And I don’t think it needs it, either. It’s Rebel Jam!

    • @Mike – I’m not saying “use” the system from rebel jam what i’m saying, and its what I think Oliver is getting at. Is having a system where riders and judges clearly understand what they are being judged on. So if you have 5 different categories, lets say consistency, degree of difficulty, flow, originality, style/flow of the routine, if you win 3 or more of those categories you are the winner. As Mike has mentioned it’s very difficult to give a score right away, and I find it more difficult when the system is just “Overall Impression”, what does that really mean? Can you honestly be accurate in 30 seconds to give the score on let’s say difficulty, aesthetics, style, flow, originality, consistency. No one ever talks about that, I personally have troubles with that, you can watching your sheet making notes more than watching the rider with some many things to look at. And that I found a lot easier at Rebel jam because it was categorised. There is something to learn from that, if we don’t, thats a lil’ bit foolish.

  27. Learning, trying something new is always a good thing. And I agree, we have to make sure the riders know what they are being judged on. But for many if not most riders that doesn’t make a difference: they just do what they do and don’t adapt when needed. I remember a contest in Greece once where the organizers said they’d deduct a point for every touch you had. I don’t think many riders understood that, or they didn’t even read the info. I made sure I had a no touch run and qualified first! You have to ride well, but sometimes you need to be smart, too!
    Anyway, exciting times ahead with many more contest and judging disputes to come for sure!

    • But at least if that judging structure is there, if the rider chooses not to read it, that is there problem. And if they don’t care then sure that’s no problem, but if they do care, which pretty much the riders I see do. (but it’s cool to say they don’t) Then the structure on what you are being judged on is there. I agree you have to be smart in contest riding. That’s a whole different topic.

      Agree with Dub, the contest if its organised by you, it looks questionable if you win it. I learnt that one 🙂 hence why i stopped riding at the king of southsea (once I began organising it)

  28. Constructive questions Mike! I’ve tried to think all about the factors, which sould be taken into consideration. So lets see:

    1. Evaluating combos: Yes I give points for every trick and switch. I don’t have to think a lot during a link because I just take two things into account: difficulty and originality. In a pro competition I use the ratio of 70:30, but I could change that for the sake of the organizer. This ratio worked for me, pushing the riders to do original tricks but still basically train a lot. I have a supporter value for a switch, if its very hard and only that rider can do it, its usually 50 points for a switch, there are no upper limit for a combo, so neiher for a run. If I am up to date with the vids, and the riders tricks before the competition, my work is much easier, I don’t have to think that much, thats preparation, and its very helpful. One combo can even reach hundreds of points.

    2. Evaluating fails: It’s not the some when somebody makes a mistake from a pinky or 38 whiplashes. So during the link I give points for the tricks as usual but if he fails I give a x0,7 multiplier. I think that number isn’t high enough to discourage the riders to do risky and new tricks, because it doesn’t give an insurmountable advantage to the other riders. But as I experienced it has to be that high to be accepted by other competitors, and the spectators because they want to see not just hard and original, but flawless tricks too. This number can be also changed for the request of the organizer.

    Also touching is not that critical, I am using: one touch x0,8, two touches x0,7, three touches x0,6 and so on at the end of the link.

    3. Repeated tricks, variety: I don’t think flatland gets easier over time, after 50 front wheel tricks, learning a backwheel trick is just as hard that learning the 51. front wheel stuff. Maybe you can disagree with it, but seeing the pros renewing problems, I can only agree with Bo Wade’s statement in an interview that narrowing down variety only for backwheel and frontwheel requirements is too harsh. So i am just using the 100-50-0 rule, which means when I am seeing a main switch for the second time, I only give 50% of it’s value, for the third time I give nothing.

    Maybe seems complex, but one have just to sit down for 2 hours, evaluate 20 runs and he would be a better judge than most. I think this solves the originality and failing questions and points has lot more benefits:
    – Judges performance can be evaluated (the points don’t have to be similar, it will be always subjective but we can notice when somebody doesn’t know what he is doing)
    – There are grades not just in difficulty but in originality and errors too, these could be taken into account
    – The numbers gives real differences between the riders, not just half a points.
    – Gives me confidence, I don’t have to memorize all of the combos, I just have to trust the numbers, my framework, I can concentrate on staying objective
    and so on…

    Also, I don’t like judging style, when I think that a trick is more difficult doing pumped than scuffed, than I give more points, but for difficulty not style. I saw Pospischil doing a flawless run, but you know his “uncomfortable” looking style (which I personally love), I don’t think he should be devaluated for style, consistency or whatever, because it’s so subjective and random, I don’t find it really fair.

    I also have some supporting value for giving points for originality and so on, feel free to ask more questions here, or even contact me on facebook. I am really stoked to have a conversation about it, because that is what Flatland needs.

  29. To those who care,
    I might have over-reacted, but if I did, it was because I take flatland to heart, this kind of reaction might not help me score higher in the future or help polish my image to anyone’s eyes or sponsors. Tell you the truth, I don’t care much about what people think in those instances, usually, but within this context the crowd seemed to have chosen sides throughout the event.
    Most spectators probably did not have a clue as to the origins of our sport or who did what and when, but let me tell you one thing ; If one day you feel thousands of people acclaim your riding in uproar, you might do things which fall totally out of your control. My conduct was definitely questionable, but not in any way inhumane. This contest felt something like Gladiators pouring their hearts out, not only for their personal glory or interest, but also in order to charm others into taking part in this wonderful Flatland World of ours.
    If my questions sparked such a discussion then maybe there are many unresolved issues within our sport which need be addressed. Things like having organizers win their own contest will forever be frowned upon in a world where justice prevails. When I put the Circul8 contest together in Montreal back in February 2011, I accumulated 2000 dollars for the PRO purse and opted not to participate in my own contest knowing very well if I won I would have served but my own interests.
    I am not the type to sit back and watch in a docile manner, especially when something matters, since to me Flat Matters and will always do.


  30. I agree with both of you, Mike and Effraim. Overall impression is the worst thing that ever happened to flatland judging. Luckily I don’t have to check my paper a lot, maybe only after the combos, but just for mere seconds. But you are right, I have to judge in an instant, which requires preparation but not that difficult. In battle it is very important to have only ONE number, not stripes, to decide in 10 seconds.

    Communication toward the judges and the riders would make the biggest improvement with the lowest effort. Guidelines should be sent to riders before the contest how to manage fails, length of the tricks, how the organizors recommend to do risky and original tricks, how it is going to be rewarded in the system. Much less surprises would take place.

  31. Dub!
    I loved the passion you expressed at FISE, I didn’t enjoy the gestures you did to some or one of the judges. I don’t think this should hurt your image. About being sponsored: you cannot demand that, you have no “right to get sponsored,” no matter how good you are on your bike. In my opinion that takes time, good riding and some or more luck. And I think it happens to the riders who ride for ridings sake, not to the ones who ride to get sponsored. And that doesn’t imply I think you ride to get sponsored.
    Could you write me a message on FB? I actually don’t know which Oliver you are…

  32. You know, I think it’s important to be open about all of this. What can I lose? If it turns out people hate my opinion then I will simply not be asked to judge again. But if we can all learn something from it and change things, or just make people understand how difficult judging is and how many things we think about while doing it then that’s a good outcome already!

  33. I second Effraim, great discussion Oliver!
    To be honest, your system sounds terribly difficult to me. You said you’ve used it in many contests before. Do you need a computer with a special software for it? And I am serious here. Would thy work for a battle format? Riding is done, 15-20 seconds later I’m asked to “raise my flag!” And is there a place for a judges opinion? If not, if it’s absolute, then we’d only need one judge, because they should all have the same result anyway, right?

  34. And Dub, you are right about not riding in your own contest. It’s difficult sometimes, though: I don’t think Matthias and Alex would ever NOT ride at FISE. But ther ARE the best guys to help run the Flatland part of FISE. I believe you need a rider to do it and I can’t think of anyone with their reputation. I would love to help out more, but I don’t speak French and that’s just impossible at FISE: you can’t work there if you don’t speak the language.

  35. Mike! Its simple. I give points 70:30, make a multiplication at the end of the link and thats it.

    It’s far from absolute, because the points what you give for the difficulty, and originality is very subjective, and depends on the judges experiences. The framework only sets a limit for subjectivity, but it is there.

    I will evaluate a run and write it down, after judging about 10 runs everyone is capable to follow the logic.

  36. I think I’d have to watch you do it to understand it. It doesn’t sound simple and managable to me, but that might just be my limited mind.
    When you say you’ve done it many times I believe you. I’m not sure it makes things easier to understand, though…

  37. To be dramatic I’ve evaluated the runs of Alex and Dubz. Thats what i wrote down, I’ve just concentrated on difficulty and originality, I’ve made multiplication about 4 times because of repeated tricks, and a few times because of touches mostly by dubz, and he wasted some time with failing so he could do less links. I think in my system thats why Alex won.

    I also realized I have to practice a bit, because I didn’t judge any runs this season and took a lots of effort to judge difficulty when they are riding that fast. Summarizing one’s point is about 10 seconds, if you dont have that much time, I will figure something out.

    I simply have a few numbers on my paper:
    Alex: 95, 65, 80, 100, 80, 120, 70, 20, 60 = 690
    Dubz: 180, 15, 110, 110, 170 = 585

    If only the top 3 combo would be taken into account, Dubz definitely would have won it for me, but overall Alex’s run was more diverse with more time to do tricks, because of less touching. With another badass combo from Dubz and he would have won it.

  38. Next time we meet I will definitely make some time to judge a few runs. I am getting nervous about the teachibility of the system, I think I will test it on some poor guys:D

  39. Having no universal Flatland organization allows for discrepancies. Nevertheless, in the wonderful world of education that I’ve been a part of for 15 years, both formative and summative assessments are crucial components of evaluation.

    Similar to E’s allusion to categories, a scoring rubric needs to be created and distributed to the judges prior to the contest. Catergories are devised with a set criterion ranging from 1 to 5. This would constitute a formative assessment, and would be completed by each judge. A scoring rubric would simply require the judge to check mark or circle the score under each category as the run is taking place. Only a second or two would be needed to look down at the rubric; Thus allowing for eyes to be where they need to be, on the actual run.

    Afterwards, judges would unit to grade on a single summative evaluation using their formative assessments to draw consensus. This is the predominant method and pedagocial approach used in the field of education where the stakes are far more important than winning a frame or a scoring title.

  40. One last thing i would like to say :

    I think the Flatland area was a shame for this sport.
    Look at the shitty floor quality, we all know that in Flatland, we need some good quality floor.

    You can’t do your best moves on that!!

    The organizers should do something…

  41. John!
    Building that stage cost a lot of money. I’m sure building an even better floor would cost a lot more money. We’re not living in a perfect world…

  42. Yes for sure Mike, you’re right!!
    But the area is old, you can’t do that many years.
    They have the metallic structure, i think it’s time to change the wood.

    Good quality area = good feelings for the riders; better tricks; etc.
    And you see how many people who are watching the contest, if we want to show to the public how our sport is great and beautiful : we need some good floor quality!!

    +1 for you, the world is not perfect…
    Sorry Mike, i’m a dreamer 😉

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