Repost: The internet revolution Part 1

As 2010 drew to a close, there was almost a flood of old videos that many of us regard as classics like e-clips,intrikat “Blend/Connect/Landescape A/B”, Allied Loiter,Focus, Ring the Gack and many more that began being released on you tube,this is amazing for all those who would never get to see these videos or like most of us, we watched these on VHS and had no way to watch them again, I was however beginning to feel guilty posting them all up on flatmatters, so I thought this would make an interesting article. I asked the following question to a whole bunch of different people involved in someway within this debate.More to follow next week.

“As the proliferation of “video classics” floods the internet, I ask the question, what are the positives and negatives of this situation?”

Brian Tunney: (Rider, filmed parts for same thing daily, props groundwork, journalist for ESPN).
I think classic is a relative word, especially on the Internet. For me, a classic might be the Dorkin’ Series or any Baco video, but on the Internet, I feel that the word “classic” could mean anything that’s just a few years old. That’s not necessarily going to the solve the problem, but it is something I’ve noticed over the past 2-3 years. But for the older, more established “classics,” I think getting from VHS or DVD and onto the Web is an important means of actually preserving the form of media in a digital form, for safe keeping, for posterity’s sake, and for future generations to view. I’ll use Chad’s section in “Ring The Gack” as an example. Those Ells videos are never going to be available again on DVD, and VHS tapes don’t last forever. If a younger audience is given the chance to watch Chad Degroot when he was at or near the top of flatland riding, then by all means, we should want that to happen. Chad is a street riding father of two in his mid 30s that lives in Florida and runs a bike shop. Younger generations of flat riders might see him in the occasional Profile ad, but that’s about the only current exposure Chad gets (unless he makes his own Web videos). If more people know that Chad was and still is a flatland legend, that’s a good thing for all of us. Besides, the tricks he does in that section are just as good today as they were in 1994.
I guess the other side of this would be if a “classic” video producer was planning on releasing a box sets of former releases. Then I might say, let’s respect the media, keep it off the Web for the time being and buy the DVDs, but I don’t know of anyone doing that right now. In general though, I would think that everyone who is a die hard flatland enthusiast would want to know the history, and if we can make that available on the Web (which we can), then we should.

Martti Kuoppa: (rider/artist: famous for his intrikat parts, contest achievements, groundtactics, solo dvds, …)
Most of the videos that are shown on internet at the moment are not available on DVD format and they are impossible to get as VHS copies even if you wanted. So, that leads to a situation that the younger riders would not have a change to watch some of the riding that is actually the roots of their current riding.
When I saw Chases & Brandons e-clips I was blown away again, because it was years since I saw it last time and I completely forgot everything in it. And that video is old, and the level of Chases riding in it is untouchable even today.So that was a really positive moment for me because it brought me inspiration and motivation and it was a good day because of that.

I guess it would be that these “pearls” are so easy to access now that it looses some of the glamour they have earned along the way. There is lot of soul and blood donated in there… Maybe you´ll understand it maybe not, afterall I am just glad to be part of the VHS generation.

Bobby Carter: (Rider, owner/editor of Diversion Tv).
Well, first of all, welcome to the information age. We are in the middle of a digital revolution. An era where information flows around the planet more swiftly than the air around us. The positive side of all these videos going online is that people around the world can witness tricks and techniques of years past. Flatland has been around long enough to have a history that can be lost due to lack of access to videos. If you’ve only been riding about 6 years, there’s only a slim chance you’ve seen videos from the 90’s. There’s a whole lot of flatland techniques out there that you can dip into and bring into your own style. You can “dig into the crates” for those rare clips and tricks to sample and develop.

The negative is that some of the videos are professionally made and the producers may not know that their work is being distributed around the net. They may or may not want their videos on the net. For dudes making web edits and filming some local stuff it’s not much of a problem. The real issue is when a filmmaker needs to spend money on plane tickets, etc. to get a video made. You spend a few thousand dollars and the video is available for free. Sponsorship may be one answer to this issue. Get a sponsor to foot the bills, make the video, and put it out there for all to share. We shall see where things go and what new technologies come out to help flatland get the exposure it deserves!

Chad Johnston: Rider, owner/editor of Intrikat.
The first positive aspect thats comes to mind is the fact that the information is out there, available to nearly everyone. More people that see it equal more possibilities to motivate. It dates and archives progression as well. I don’t see a negative, unless the person that was uploading the video did a poor job, like if the quality interrupted the content. So far the Intrikat videos that have been put online have been done well. I like how Kala Yasuda did LandEscape and Connect with the proper chapters and credits. I also like how fatboy972 did Blend, two sections. I had thought about how I would do it and would soon forget about it,because it’s not edited in rider sections, it’s all blended together.Uploading it in two sections works great and the intermission is placed well. I trust the other titles that are uploaded to Youtube are done with respect also. Thanks to the people who have put the time in to doing a good job.

Chad Degroot: Rider/artist hugely influential in the baco days, runs Deco Bike co.
It can go both ways. I believe videos are made to stand the test of time and also to be watched. Right? So you can hate on people posting old videos and reliving their glory days, is that really a problem? Maybe a bit if they are charging for them or getting big headed like they were the shit. But truthfully a lot of riders nowadays don’t know or care how or why tricks came about and who did them. Videos back in the day used to be on top of that. We couldn’t wait till a video came out to see all the new tricks and what can be done. Posting vids is just a part of technology and moving forward to archive it. If you don’t want to watch, don’t. Some I do watch, but most I don’t. So if your an online junkie that has to watch all videos, good. Get some knowledge while your doing it. Yes the tricks now are insane, and seem like video game tricks, but that is what it’s getting to. They started somewhere then built to what you see today. I guarantee some shit Osato, Freimuth or The Beast did people still won’t be able to do. Try it. Lastly, you can’t flood the internet. It’s a day to day thing. People want the news or edits now….the internet gives you them now. So that is a positive thing. The only negative thing is the shit talking, but truthfully if you don’t talk shit then you are not human. It’s way easier to type shit than talk shit.

What do you think? Have your say below in the comments..

7 thoughts on “Repost: The internet revolution Part 1

  1. yeah lot of positive stuff here just what Tunney was saying the Ells vids have never been on dvd wish they were and yeah nthe tricks Chad was throwing diwn in 93/94 era were are are still as sick as ever ,but yeah its relevant the riding that has happened its helped the evoution of flatland ,seems like the old vids online have caused bit of controversy it does no harm its their to view to learn to be inspired by etc

    i agree with Chad either watch them and learn or rekindle that past or don’t simple its the viewers choice ,the days of ” classic vids” are over hate to say it but the VHS generation bought us some gems over the years and now its a new era and now its all online vids now .the old stuff should be cherished its not a case of ” old men reliving their youth yawn etc blah blah blah ” this is what made flatland the VHS era ,i mean to own a copy of Baco 3, 4, 5 or Ells Ring the Gack,665 1/2 or even Nowhere Fast,Trash etc etc that was worth its weight in gold back then i still have all of mine yet i dont have a VHS player what does that tell you ,but now with internet we can view with the same feeling we got back then ,it certainly makes me happy and thats what counts.

    • Totally agree Howard, lot of great points brought up. Part of my reason for these reposts, stuff gets lost as I attempt to keep up with what’s going on in the world of flatland, you might miss a day, and an article such as this one is 8 posts down. Slightly off topic. But relative to this discussion about internet edits and the old videos/dvds Tunney, Martti, etc are talking about.

  2. just a note to what Martti was saying totally agree to this day Chase’s riding in E-Clips is untouchable ,so true 11 years on same with Chads 17 years on , thanks to the guys who post these vids up ,excuse spelling errors i type fast and don’t check 😉

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